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Torchwood

In reference to the new audio episodes. I think I'm over it. Either that, or it's just that as much as I love Captain Jack (and JB), it's just not Torchwood without Owen, Tosh, and Ianto. Like Miracle Day wasn't really Torchwood, and even COE seemed to be the characters names played by the same actors, but actually different characters, if that makes sense. Everyone was so OOC in COE, it did not seem like Torchwood to me at all. Hellooo fan fiction. I am so there. Oddly enough, I am perfectly fine reading fics where there is no Gwen. She never seems to add anything but annoyance, in my mind. Like a strand of celery stuck in your teeth (read that somewhere), you desperately want it to go away, but it just stays and stays and stays and makes you crazy in the interim. But that's just me.

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backrose_17
May. 3rd, 2015 09:20 pm (UTC)
Same here. It was never going to be the same once they killed off three of the five main characters. In my mind once they killed off Ianto that was the end for me. If there is no more Ianto, Tosh or Owen I can not find it in me to have anything to do with Torchwood even for Jack.

The fact that Gwen, the weakest and most pointless character that on any other show would have been the first to be killed managed to survive just made me hated the idea of more Torchwood without the other three. Torchwood lost what made it special when they killed off Ianto, Tosh and Owen.
mia_zeklos
May. 3rd, 2015 09:26 pm (UTC)
Mind you, I'm pretty sure they'll use the whole team (either set in the past or something new, I'm not sure). I read the article and it said something about the screenwriter being delighted at the prospect to work with the whole cast and that it was all going to be 'intimate' and 'focused' on the characters. And GDL said that he was up for it, too, so I think it'll be all of them. Or, well, I hope so.

And something else I hope for? If this is a success (which it will be) I'm really, really hoping for a new season. Preferably with the entire cast in place, because it's never been a secret that MD had much lower ratings than any other TW series.
excentric397
May. 3rd, 2015 09:59 pm (UTC)
There's a post on Tumblr

janto-is-canon.tumblr.com

that only lists JB in the cast from the original torchwood.

There's some question on the post, though.
dieastra
Jul. 21st, 2015 07:57 pm (UTC)
I assume you've heard by now that Gareth will read the second part? There are pictures of him in the studio as well. They announce them bit by bit, I am quite confident that the others will turn up as well. Gareth's is coming out in October already even, instead of having to wait till January as originally announced. And that he is second after John should tell us something.

http://scifibulletin.com/2015/07/16/ianto-lives-in-new-torchwood-audios/

I believe they really want to give the fans what they want. Granted I don't know any of their Doctor Who work (I own a few Stargate CDs though) but I saw two of the guys at the recent convention, and their passion shone through. They are quite happy to have gotten the rights, and I think these first six will be only the beginning. So many possibilities and opportunities. These stories can be set in any time they want to (I never understood why there weren't more books set in the good old times, you don't even need actors for that)
excentric397
Jul. 21st, 2015 11:15 pm (UTC)
This was labeled 'suspicious comment'??? Never saw that before. I had to 'unspam' it. The books were mostly a disappointment, so I'm hoping these turn out better. I know James Goss is doing Ianto's episode, and I've read he's a big fan, so I have high hopes.
dieastra
Jul. 21st, 2015 11:35 pm (UTC)
It's because of the link. We used to have trouble with Russian Spammers on LJ so now they have gone over the top and mark any link as spam. I think you should be able to change it in your settings but please don't ask me where.

There are some books that I did like, but you are right, the quality varied. But I was in so much withdrawal when I read them, that the most important part was that it was NEW TORCHWOOD.

And this is why I am so happy about this, as it means that MD in 2011 was not the end, that the fandom lives on. We had five out of the six main cast at the con in May (only Burn was missing sadly), and they said if anyone deserves more episodes it's us. With other series, when it's over the people move on to new things, but we are still here after years. And seeing them all together on stage, like a family, I don't think they are ready to give it up either.

So now it's up to us, if these sell well, who knows what else it might lead to. I have preordered all six without having a clue what they will be about, because again I am happy about ANY new Torchwood. But I am also curious what they will be like. They said it is not just an audio book but more. I liked the radio plays with all of them better than if just one reads a book, and these seem to be kinda in the middle. We'll see.
excentric397
Jul. 21st, 2015 11:42 pm (UTC)
I'll have to nose around and see if I can find out how to change it, but friended you has fixed your comments at least.

I think the fandom will continue so long as there are fan fic writers out there, many who write much better stories than were ever broadcast or in the books. Just the popularity of the actors at the cons should be sending a message to whoever needs to know. And seriously, there is a SHRINE!!!! That should tell them something, right?
excentric397
Jul. 21st, 2015 11:44 pm (UTC)
Oh, wait. Your probably fixed because of no link. IDEK
Confused Jean is easily confused. :)
dieastra
Jul. 21st, 2015 11:53 pm (UTC)
Also in general all the tourists that come to Cardiff just to see the shooting locations! We actually had a city walk tour with a very enthusiastic guide telling us lots of little things. He is so proud of his homecity. It was a great experience.

There are some really talented fic writers out there. I wonder for how long they can continue without any new input though. There's always a point when everything has been said and done.

(So, at the moment I am being unfaithful and discovering a new fandom. You might like some of my most recent action figure picture posts. As I am just experiencing the original Star Trek for the very first time in my life. I grew up in Eastern Germany, where we simply didn't have it on our TV screens)

But I swear I won't leave, this is just a little distraction and then I am back in full force ;)
excentric397
Jul. 22nd, 2015 12:12 am (UTC)
Yep, seen the Star Trek ones, too. Liking them. The original Star Trek eps are soooo corny, but there was a lot of about tolerance, and the bad influence of religion, and how things change and get distorted and misinterpreted over time. A lot of philosophy, if you could get past the corn.

I think fic writers are like any writers, they can write whatever their imagination comes up with. Only if they are locked into following canon exactly is there a limit to what they can do, I think. There are some amazing AU's out there, too. Personally, I think we got screwed by canon, so if I was an author, I would say, screw canon, too. Lots of fics where everyone is still alive and well. God, I love this fandom.

You can be in more than one fandom, right? I'm kind of on/off with Sherlock, because there are some amazing fics there, too, but I just can't see the two of them as a couple. I've tried, but no. Greg and Mycroft, however, I kind of like together. They complement one another, I think.

Isn't it all great? Why yes. Yes it is.
dieastra
Jul. 22nd, 2015 12:31 am (UTC)
Yeah, this is what made me put it off for so long - of course I had gotten a glimpse here and there on TV, but I never liked much for example when they were all mind controlled and had to act weirdly - which they do a lot.

But watching it all in full and in order now it didn't take me long to really fall in love with them, and there are also many really great emotional and touchy scenes. Kirk/Shatnere isn't always as hammy as people like to make him be. And great actors that actually have chemistry with each other. The reason why I was starting now, that I had seen one of the new movies and it felt so cold to me. Technically perfect, but I did not feel any emotions. Which the old series has plenty. And in some ways, they were indeed very insightful into the future.

I don't mind AUs where everyone is alive, I also don't mind AUs where they are suddenly tennis players liky Choccy girl once did, as long as it is well done and their real personalities still shine through, and you think, yep, that is my Jack and my Ianto. I don't like AUs when they are so much distant from their original selfes that they have only the name in common but nothing else.

For that reason, I also don't like stories where one of them becomes a toddler again. Goes right into the Jack and Ianto bring the kids to school area ;) Jack being a father to little cute Ianto? Urghs.

Yes, I am quite on and off in the Sherlock fandom as well! Every two years when we have new episodes to be exactly. Then I read some ffs as well - there were some great ones that tried to solve The Fall - but usually I don't follow what the actors do and every interview and little hint. As you might know, I am mainly a John Barrowman fan, and I have my hands quite full with him, as busy as he always is. Hard to keep up. And I am quite inserted into Arrow because of that as well.
excentric397
Jul. 22nd, 2015 12:45 am (UTC)
My favorite parts were always when the three of them were together around the captain's chair, snarking each other. They just seemed like real friends. I haven't seen the new movies, they don't feel like Star Trek at all, judging from the ads I've seen. And that guy who plays Chekov? Seriously?

I read Choccy girl's tennis player one. Different, but I liked it. Have you read 'The Man in Gray', by evalentine? One of my all-time favorites, even though it is very, very different and extremely AU. I also love 'Guard Them, and Him Within', by etharai. Then there's 'What Never Should Be' by blucougar. I think this is at the top of my list. Yes, I have a list of favorite favorites, just a few. A really good AU Sherlock is 'Performance in a Leading Role', by Mad_Lori.

I kind of like some of the 'someone gets turned into a toddler'. Just cute. I'm not a fan of mpreg or 'happy families' or 'our superheroes can't save the world, they're too busy changing diapers' ones.

I do like Barrowman, although he can be quite bizarre in his behaviour at times, and clearly love attention, but he seems like a genuinely nice person. I wan't sure about Gareth before he got married, but I only read good things about him now. I don't follow them much, either, but you can't help read stuff that winds up in front of you. Uh huh. That's my excuse.
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excentric397
Jul. 22nd, 2015 10:40 am (UTC)
Oh, lord, I'm up. Not awake, but up. Anyway, rereading this, I can see how tired I was, and I completely went past saying what I wanted about this bit:

"I don't like AUs when they are so much distant from their original selfes that they have only the name in common but nothing else."

COE. You're talking about COE, right? I didn't watch Miracle Day, but I think it's the same thing.
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mia_zeklos
May. 3rd, 2015 09:29 pm (UTC)
(I already left a comment but wanted to answer to the last paragraph personally; hope you don't mind) I completely agree about COE. Everyone was so out of character and from the little I've seen from MD, it only got worse from then on. But, like I said in the other comment, from what I'm hearing, they're going to work with the entire cast or at least the bigger part of them, and Ianto is mentioned whenever the questions arise, which is my hope.

I actually happen to love Gwen, but it's not a very popular opinion and really, people will be more for that if there's everyone - especilly Ianto - involved. Even RTD can't be clueless enough to realise that he's the fan favourite and therefore the key to success in this.

Edited at 2015-05-03 09:32 pm (UTC)
excentric397
May. 3rd, 2015 10:01 pm (UTC)
Comment away. I'm good with that. :)

If they are all in it, I will be thrilled, but I am not keeping my hopes up. We've been messed with before.
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