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Someone posted some pictures of Ianto's Shrine on Tumblr, with a picture of a paper that says, "& Owens". No. Let Owen get his own shrine. Am I just being petty? This made me angry. Maybe I need to just get over it all, but please, leave Ianto's shrine alone, people. Anyone?


Jun. 24th, 2015 02:04 am (UTC)
Ianto's Shrine
No, you're not being petty. I wholeheartedly agree with you. Leave Ianto's Shrine alone!

Never seen it, except in pictures, but I love the thought & feelings behind it. You cannot take a shrine erected for one revered character & decide, Oh, I think I'll add Owen to this, as an afterthought. It is unseemly & is just not done.

If people want Owen to have a shrine, what's stopping them from setting up one? Just don't touch Ianto's Shrine.
Jun. 24th, 2015 04:21 pm (UTC)
Re: Ianto's Shrine
Thank you. I wasn't sure if I was just being picky, but I was kind of offended by it. Ianto is MINE, um, Ianto is OURS, and leave his shrine alone. Doesn't matter if I like Owen or not, it's not his shrine. It really made me angry. Glad it's not just me. :)

Edited at 2015-06-24 04:22 pm (UTC)
Jul. 21st, 2015 07:49 pm (UTC)
Re: Ianto's Shrine
If I may give an explanation for that one. I think it originally came from Naoko Mori. She wrote on Twitter where her and Owen's shrine was, and promised a bottle of champaign for the first one to do one. So technically there should be "& Tosh's & Owen's" on the picture you saw, not just Owen.

I understand your feelings though, but I did wonder why the other two deaths did not provoke such a reaction? Fans certainly mourned these characteres as well. I guess they had just not a special place to go to? The Tourist information entry is Ianto's but then again it is also the entry for Torchwood.

When I was at the Miracle Day 2 convention in May, at the fancy costume contest, there actually were two people dressed as the shrine. They won a price as it was absolutely awesome done.

I came so late into the fandom that it all already had happened when I finally watched it, so I was spoilered and the impact gone a little sadly. But then I was always a Jack girl myself ;)
Jul. 21st, 2015 11:10 pm (UTC)
Re: Ianto's Shrine
Tosh and Owen's deaths were heart-breaking, it's true, but somehow, Ianto's death was devastating to a lot of fans. Tosh and Owen had their stories, and we kind of knew them pretty well, but Ianto had so much left untold, unexplained, and he, rather than Gwen, was really the character a lot of us identified with, and we needed more. It was like losing a real life person, almost, like part of you just wasn't there anymore.

You have to credit RTD for creating him, but more goes to Gareth for bringing him to life in a way that resonated with so many of us. The writers treated him almost like an after thought, and I don't think they really understood his impact on the fans. He touched us in so many ways. He kind of was us, or we were/are him. Those of us who shared the experience of not knowing if you were first choice, if you were truly loved, who lost people and struggled to recover. Who never knew if they really mattered.

Going on, I know, but it's hard to find the words to say what I mean. And yeah, Jack is just totally gorgeous and lovely.
Jul. 23rd, 2015 01:32 pm (UTC)
Re: Ianto's Shrine
I do wonder in all seriousness though, if Ianto had not been killed at the time he was, how much longer Gareth would have wanted to play the role. There seems to be a certain distinction between British and American TV. In America, every actor is happy to land a role in a TV series, and they may go on for 10+ seasons if successful.

But in British shows, the actors only sign up for 2 or 3 years, then they want to move on to new things. I've seen this happen now in "Call the midwife" and "Downton Abbey". The guy that does DA got a lot of grief for killing two of his main and well loved characteres at the end of season 3, but the actors wanted out, so what was he supposed to do? Not always does the "they go to America and come to visit some day" work out.

We should at least thank RTD for bringing back Doctor Who in the first place, and thus Torchwood as well. Without those shows, I would not know a lot of really good friends and missed out on some wonderful travels to the UK for conventions or concerts.
Jul. 23rd, 2015 03:02 pm (UTC)
Re: Ianto's Shrine
Doctor Who was all about loss, as well. I think RTD has a very dark outlook on life. But he brought Nine, my favorite Doctor, to life, (I love Eleven, too) and he created Ianto and Jack and Tosh and Owen, even though he shortchanged them all in the end. There were so many stories to be told about Tosh and Owen in particular. This is where fan fiction takes up the slack, thank goodness. I've read some where they did not die and went on the have a life together. Just killing people off for shock value isn't necessarily good story-telling. Showing them having a life, or a fascinating back story, can be really good, too.

One of my favs, and the name escapes me at the moment, is when everyone but Gwen somehow became immortal. I can live with that. There really are some amazingly good writers out there, and they don't even charge me to read their stuff. These really are good times, aren't they?