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Where I follow some Torchwood-related pages. Yes, I hate when writers have Jack call Ianto 'Yan', because that would just never happen. I, too, do not love woobie Ianto. Seriously, did you not notice how he kept a cyberwoman hidden, organizing things so well that no one ever had a clue. Did you not see him tazer those guys in 'Meat' after nearly being shot to death? Did you not observe ANY of the brilliantly clever and strong things the man did throughout the series? If he didn't break after Lisa, he's not going to break. Period.

Not the point. The point is, I read somewhere that RTD mentioned that killing off a favorite character meant we'd remember that character forever. I think what he didn't realize was that it meant we'd hate RTD forever, as well.

Oh, Torchwood. Will you never let me go? Do I even want you to?

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anastasisrick
Feb. 3rd, 2014 09:12 pm (UTC)
I might have had Jack calling Ianto "Yan". It's nice creating some familiarity between those two characters.

Other than that, I totally agree with you. I think in most (make that all) male/male pairing writers decide to give the macho/manly, hard man personality to one character and the vulnerable, sweet, little, in need to be protected to the other despite what we've seen in canon. Same thing happens here too.

Personally, I'm all in favour of the creator to so as they please with their characters. Only some times, what they do is only in favour of shock value and "drama". And I think it's ridiculous. And that's what RTD tries to do (well, that and push Gwen down our throats in a violent way! :))
excentric397
Feb. 3rd, 2014 09:37 pm (UTC)
Oops. It just seems not at all Jack to call Ianto 'Yan'.

Lazy writing, making the character fit the story for shock and drama, rather than working the shock and drama around the character. As though the characters were just props for the story, and not the story. I'm all about the character development, in any medium. That's what's so great about a lot of British shows I've seen. Even the minor background characters are fully fleshed-out real people, not just part of the woodwork. Killing characters off senselessly for shock and drama is also bad writing. Gwen is just horrific writing. Giving us a character with no morals, who seems to be a pathological liar, and who manipulates people to get what she wants, and then telling us over and over what a great and compassionate person she is, well.... The mind boggles. Too bad, because Eve Myles seems like she could be good given the right framework as an actress. I did see her in something about hiding art in a mine and she was okay. On the other hand, I almost didn't watch Merlin when I thought she was going to be an ongoing character. Maybe I just suck as a viewer/reader. But I am nothing if not opinionated, right? LOl
anastasisrick
Feb. 4th, 2014 04:03 pm (UTC)
For one thing, I love Merlin. I love it more than I thought possible, really. Colin Morgan is the younger actor I've ever liked, and feel creeped out he's younger than me. But I think he's going to be a wonderful actor.

I agree with what you say about Jack calling Ianto Yan, but if I was to go with canon, I'd have to had Gwen on first, second and last, top of the tops as well. Which no!

Audience has to see how the creator made the character. In Gwen's situation we got all talk about how brilliant, human, the heart of torchwood she was, but when she came to actions she was anything but. And Jack cared for her for all the reasons that weren't shown. You can't just say it, you have to show it as well. I always thought that Gwen was the same as Rose from Doctor Who and in end, RTD managed to make me dislike both.

I like reading your opinions! :)
excentric397
Feb. 4th, 2014 05:17 pm (UTC)
I loved Merlin, too, although a lot of the time I was thinking how stupid some of them were, Arthur for example, and why on earth did they think it was a good idea to wear long draggy clothing all the time when everything was dirt and mud. Cause they didn't do their own laundry, that's why. I love the twinkle Colin Morgan gets in his eye sometimes. Just that look of delight. I loved that about Nine, too.

The trouble with Torchwood was just what you say: we are told about the person, but none of what we are told is actually demonstrated. You can develop your characters OFF screen, but not if you don't show any of that development ON screen. Also, Gwen's supposed compassion and humanity seemed to me to be more of 'I know what's best for you and I will intrude into your life until I make it happen'. 'I feel/believe/think this, therefore everyone feels/believes/thinks this.' 'I am smarter and know more than any/all of you more experienced team members, whether you be Torchwood or police.' And the way she treated Andy. Seriously? This is a kind and compassionate person?

I agree about Rose, too. I don't like the way both of them just completely disregard their boyfriends in favor of the new exciting guy, but still choose to string those boyfriends along just in case. I think RTD really hates women. I've said before, I wonder what his childhood was like, because his view of the world, and women in particular, seems pretty cynical and depressing.

I remember after Tosh and Owen died, I was talking to a friend and said that Torchwood is all about loss, and that Doctor Who is all about loss as well. And they are. Neither show ever really demonstrated a happy outcome. Gwen's may have seemed that way, but it was only because she regularly lied to and then retconned Rhys so he didn't know the kind of person she really was. Happiness based on lies and deceit isn't happiness. It's delusion.

So there. More opinions. Enjoy. (just giggling to myself here a little bit)
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